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Is it bad that I was yelling "KILL HIM! KILL HIM!" when Ashura-ou had Fay by the neck? Even though I had already read the spoilers and knew it didn't happen?

So much peace would come in the fandom if he had just died here plus the Faybrats reactions would have been hilarious. Yeah, you know the fandom is bad when you want one half of your OTP to die. Maybe then the brats would run off and annoy some other fandom so I could enjoy KuroFay again in peace.

Moving the subject to Ashura-ou, I'm still not sure why people think he's evil. Last chapter, the attack that hit Kurogane was off to the side, a non-killing blow; in this chapter, his attack on Syaoran was only to hold him down. I'm sure Ashura-ou could have killed both of them (and Sakura since she was alone with him before they arrived in Celes) if he wanted too, but he didn't. That's a pretty big fucking sign that he doesn't want them dead. If he was evil though, he would have just killed them.

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I get the feeling. Though I mostly avoid the TRC fandom at large, because, thank you, I like all the main characters and think that the old CLAMP works are fantastic (without thinking TRC sucks.) Happier with just talking on my F-list. Helps that no one really writes KuroFye or SyaSaku very well, so I'm not really tempted to look for fic.

Ashura-ou is clearly a sadist! He wants everyone to suffer as long as possible. He plans to kill Fye and his new family and then rape their dead bodies.

Moving the subject to Ashura-ou, I'm still not sure why people think he's evil.
Let me talk to you about the Naruto fandom (I know you don't really like it, but I think, when it comes to fandom, I can make a point.) Sasuke doesn't kill innocent people randomly, and people bash him. The frustration that fans can't read between the lines and see what the writer is trying to SAY about a character is one of the most frustrating parts of fandom for me.

Even though the Sauce isn't exactly "evil," I still think he's a douche. Or maybe it's just that his beliefs on life clash with mine, and I feel more aligned with Naruto on most issues. Too often do fans have the wrong idea about a character, be it they love them or hate them. D:

I'm not denying that Sasuke messed up, because he did. Big time. However, when he left he was twelve and after he'd suffered being mind raped. Besides, Naruto is about to make some of the same mistakes, and I don't hold that against him.

The problem with most fans who adore Naruto and hate Sasuke is that they miss the point of both characters. They enjoy labeling Naruto as a selfless hero who'll heal anyone with his kind touch, when they forget that he's self-righteous, obnoxious, with the firm belief he is right. Sometimes this works for him, but sometimes it doesn't, and it's not working with Sasuke, because he seems to think that beating Sasuke up and dragging him home will solve anything.

Naruto and Sasuke are about the series. They're both right and they're both wrong. The two of them complete each other. The two of them would break without each other. And while Sakura is profoundly important to both of them, so much of their character development rests on each other.

I don't mind too much that people don't like Sasuke, he's frustrating, broken, angry, short-sighted and if that's not your type of character I can see how that wouldn't appeal to you. I just don't like it when people seem to forget that he does have good points, that he's not evil, and that canon isn't making him an evil villain for a reason. His mistakes weren't that horrible.

It's extra annoying for me when they hate Sasuke for the same reasons they love Naruto. Their world-views and they're goals are different because of circumstances, but their hard-working nature, obsessive nature, and lonliness aren't that different.

So it boils down to, hate Sasuke, but lets not pull things our of your ass if you want to, even more so if it means that you're applying double standards to Naruto and Sasuke.

owo;

Selfless hero? Yeeegh. I totally agree with you on all that... which is a lot of why I think Naruto is a great series. It just has a horrible fandom.

I actually do like Sasuke's "type" sometimes, but in this case, I generally like the orange one a little better. I admire Naruto a lot, despite his faults, because he represents a lot of what I personally would like to be. Sasuke, at times, reminds me of myself and it probably makes me angry, even though I generally think that I have very different beliefs. So, a lot of as to why I dislike Sasuke lies within me. 8D /sucks

See I almost started to dislike Naruto because his fans were like... Fye fans really, with the fact that Naruto fandom is several times larger than the TRC fandom.

I think a lot of people think like you. Sasuke is a really weak character in so many ways so that some fans get a bit uncomfortable with him. There is also a larger trend in larger fandoms to hate on angst.

I kinda wonder, in a morbid way, how X or RG Vega characters would be treated if the series were newer and popular.

Same here, I like all the main characters, so I get really annoyed when when I see bashing. Since it's the Fay fans that do the bashing, I get very annoyed at them.

I think that's a good point about Sasuke. Back during my brief stop in the fandom, I remember getting really annoyed at how Sasuke was treated by the fandom.

Yeah that's horrible. :( When they're on your side.

Hahah I am so glad to be almost out of Naruto fandom. It so was not worth it. Older, smaller fandoms for me lately.

HAHAHA. Oh man, that's kinda bad, Rek.' I'm not a big fan of Fai myself, but Kuro/Fai... that's different. It would have been wonderfully liberating if he had died, though. :/ Maybe they WOULD leave, after much screaming and crying.

Fanbrats usually associate any kind of antagonism/physical harm with pure "villainy." So, pretty much, they will be convinced that someone is evil if they are, in some way, hurting one of their beloved characters. I learned at a very young age, actually through CLAMP and MKR, that villains are usually not "evil" and merely are a part of a different belief/goal. Unfortunately, the "Us Vs. Them" and "We're the Good Guys" mentality is especially prevalent in the U.S. But before I go too far on this tangent, I'll say that the fanbrats are going to hate him up until the very end, or when some sentimental last moment occurs and he "explains" himself. Even though it should be pretty apparent what he wants!

Dear fanbrats,

Ashura-ou wants Fai to kill him so that he wont continue to kill lots of people. Fai isn't doing his job, so Ashura-ou is going to persuade him so that the greater good may be accomplished. The end.

- Nina

Haha, I know; I take too much delight in the angst of fans that I don't like.

Personally I think they'll hate Ashura-ou even after we're given the explanation for why he did everything. Even if he's cursed the same way Ashura was in RG Veda, simply because they've built up so much hate for him it'll be hard for them to let it good.

And you're right, Ashura-ou wants Fay to stop him from killing people. Fay isn't doing what he promised to do, so of course Ashura-ou is going to try and persuade him by threatening the others.

You mean characters can have complex motives? Shock.

How is that Reed treated in fandom, as a whole? The dude who is manipulating everyone? I forget his name. I find him boring, myself.

*Sobs* I'm now not only a Faybrat (I swear I'd bawl if Fye died), but a Syaoran fanbrat, I've done nothing but squee at the damned splash cover D:

Anyway :P

Good point about Ashura D: It's true, I'm sure he could've killed them if he'd wanted to - I STILL want a freaking explanation DX;

You're not a Faybrat. Faybrats are su_chan and her fanpoodles. :P

I loved the splash. I thought it was really good.

Oh I definitely want an explanation for Ashura-ou too. I imagine we'll get it in the next chapter to wrap up this arc.

I'm actually betting on wank if it turns out that the condition of "learning the meaning of true strenght" was met... for Shaoran's sake. Which is why I'm wishing so hard that it -is- indeed the case.

I completely didn't think about that!

Right now it does look like Kurogane learned the meaning of true strength protecting Syaoran. Hahaha, the fans will be so pissed if that turns out to be true.

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